“I guess “scientists” ain’t THINKING ’bout what a bacteria that eats minerals & produces oxygen would do to a human if it “species jumped, ie, yr blood & flesh would fizz inside ya as it strip mined yr bones etc”
Evidence that Mars once harbored alien life continues to mount. Just weeks after NASA’s Curiosity rover detected spikes of methane in the Martian atmosphere–possible evidence of biological activity–a prominent geobiologist says she sees possible signs of past life in photos of the Martian landscape taken by the rover.
“We can detect sedimentary structures in rocks on Mars using the rover images,” Dr. Nora Noffke, an associate professor at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va., told The Huffington Post in an email. “The structures I describe belong to a group of microbial structures that form by the interaction of benthic (living on the ground) microbes with sediment dynamics (erosion) in clastic deposits such as sand.”
Although i can’t help but feel that humans are presumptuous in wanting to “terraform” mars when they haven’t even repaired the deserts here on Earth yet, something my ideas are perfect for, especially as a use for recycling plastics to trap surrounding evaporation also, & use of old tyres etc to hold such sheets down & shape them & plant in & through, &, by utilizing carbon fiber & graphine etc in construction, could also be externally “shaped” to direct even the lightest breezes to maximum effect to run dome-mounted wind turbines etc, or even be built over thermal springs in the antarctic, then coated with ice & internally double-skin insulated like a thermos/esky etc, to trap heat within as well.
“microbes, lichen, water bears (among other useful food chain organisms) have already been proven to be able to thrive in open space for months (zero failure rate in the case of lichen for example, minimal in the others), a much better idea (as it also removes the need for vast fuel reserves to leave/enter mars gravity well) would be to simply coat large mined-hollow asteroids inside & out with skins of “bubble wrap” filled with lichens, microbes etc”
Ed [VanDyke], why bother even landing on mars, ie, asteroid belt contains everything required to make habitable areas & technology, &, as microbes of various kinds that live in lichen & produce hydrogen, oxygen, methane, & whose “corpses” feed “water bears” that also live in lichen, & with all the above, ie, microbes, lichen, water bears (among other useful food chain organisms) have already been proven to be able to thrive in open space for months (zero failure rate in the case of lichen for example, minimal in the others), a much better idea (as it also removes the need for vast fuel reserves to leave/enter mars gravity well) would be to simply coat large mined-hollow asteroids inside & out with skins of “bubble wrap” filled with lichens, microbes etc, so that the produced gasses can be efficiently bled-off into storage for everything from internal combustion power, hydrogen-oxygen power cells, water, air etc, whilst the lichen-microbes-water bears etc provides the main 1st steps in a self-sustaining food chain, including compost for gardens & raw nutrients for algael tanks etc..
Ed Vandyke: Great points Billie. Something very much like that will likely dominate our next step(s) of habitation and utilizing the resources of the solar system. My daydreaming stems from a perceived need to have an alternate/”back-up” habitat for a significant portion of the human race. Mars is our “best” bet. Any way you look at it, that’s going to take centuries. We have as many of those to figure that out, as Earth resources, environment will sustain our steadily growing population. My hair-brained ‘impactor’ concept just served to remedy the EM dilemma, add mass, energy, even water…. Ancillary minerals that were involved is just a side-effect that could pique corporate interest in pursuing such an avenue, then spurring population migration to “A new world flowing with milk and honey”… Mostly, we need to have some kind of plan in place for the species to persist beyond the resources of our planet. Whether it’s a thousand years, a million, or billions; We WILL NEED to move beyond. Given the time and energy demands of terraforming a planet, (and countless other known and unknown obstacles) we’re already behind schedule… Plowing somethings like [Vesta] into Mars could be the kind of spectacular shortcut that appeals to a venture which will demand gobs and gobs of $$$$$$$$.
Knut Holt: Looking at pictures from Mars, you easily see geological formations that look too regular and too systematically laid out to be just the products of pure geological and meteorological processes, so I think many scientists believe in former or even present life on Mars, but prefer to keep their mouth shut about it.
oh look!!! “geological formations that look too regular and too systematically laid out to be just the products of pure geological and meteorological processes”… oops, my mistake, volcanic activity formed them, gee, ya don’t think, what with mars having volcanoes up to 3 times the height of mount everest that maybe volcanic activity explains rather a lot of those “regularities & systematically laid out” bits… “Giants Causeway”
[sediments microstructures / microbial evidence / life-formed particulates] … or …. it could be merely “space dust” settling in locations over aeons dependent on the planet’s proximity to the stragglers of the ateroid belt at any time, ie, those rocks do tend to approach similar but slightly different positions each “fly-bye”, so the dust (especially through even the thin martian atmosphere) is going to land slightly variably each time, & is certainly fine enough in its make-up to mimic life-formed particulates, looks no different to any fine dust flowing across a surface in an atmosphere-shifted environment.
Yo Darren … re ben elton, prefer to think great minds think alike etc, but seeing as his every book since has just been rewrite of “stark”…..yeah, cupl that used to stay at farmhouse i rented stayed with ben & sophie after, the summer he wrote stark, i’d already written slaves, replacement technology & the neutron bomb, could just be coincidence, but that crew used to milk m’brains then scoff so widnae be surprised, regardless, funny how immediately after yanks spring russia burying cosmonauts in isolation chambers to check their psychological capacity for “potential” mars trip, chile has mining “accident” entombing group of miners in survival pod, ie, miners WAY more needed for mars attempt, astronauts are flyboys, not (under) ground crew that any colony their would require, even with rock-munching oxygen producing bacteria take centuries to make breathable atmosphere there, much saner to send miners/convicts to burrow quickly oxygenizable burrows, newayz,
ps, following, an idea i had a few weeks ago, apart from decidedly DANGEROUS exposing of beer bacteria to open space & unshielded cosmic rays & uv (the main cause of mutational evolution ON earth ie, UNDER van allen belts/atmosphere & ocean even etc.) handy that lichen (100% survival rate) & those rock eating oxygen producing beer(in dorset?) microbes & the methane eating (pre-requisite for long confined voyages) oxygen producing bacteria & the hydrogen producing types also survive open space/unshielded cosmic rays/uv/radz/etc., nice solar shielding/bio-system methinx for skin or under “greenhouse” skin of space craft? (“bubble wrap”?) eg, the hydrogen makers & oxygen makers could also feed your batteries & water as well as making fuel & air (fk, ya could run yr laptop or phone or whatever on’m, “bio-tech” hydrogen oxygen cells etc.) get THAT to branson for a free suborbital…..
ps, handy also that antarctic “water bears” (classified as microbes but i’d call them proto-animals personally – checkm out y’l see what i mean) can also survive (actually THRIVE, breed up etc.) & they feed on lichen & bacteria, so theirs yr food chain started, ie, farm yr water bears on a lichen skin of craft or exterior/interior of hollowed asteroids, feed them to something bigger etc, plankton whatever, too easy, ps, really DON’T want mutated beer bacteria ON earth though, guess “scientists” (poms) ain’t THINKING ’bout what a bacteria that eats minerals & produces oxygen would do to a human if it “species jumped, ie, yr blood & flesh would fizz inside ya as it strip mined yr bones etc, let alone what would happen if it just claimed more rocks as food, eg, bushfires would be IMMUNE to water etc with only a TINY percentage increase in atmosphere, fk, yd have SARGASSO fires), njoi…
“Domes are the way, not merely because of structural superior strength, but also because of more controllable air circulation, & the ability to utilize moisture from human breath/sweat etc along with transpiration of plants inside domes to, via meniscal tension “stickiness” & capillary action to collect on the interior surface to then, as its mass increases, drip like rain from moulded “stalagtites”, transparencies can enhance available solar heat via lensing, basically the all-round (pun intended) approach/”solution” to initial quickly inhabitable living & food production areas, especially if utilizing “bubble-wrap” style surrounding ground cover to farm lichen etc in, as that allows for the beginning of a viable longterm food-chain, ie, different bubbles can be used to breed lichen-feeding/fertilizing bacteria of various types, some producing oxygen, others hydrogen, methane, ammonia etc, providing both power (including hydrogen-oxyen power cells as well as burnable hydrogen & methane & dried lichen for that matter) & water along with food for such larger lichen-living microorganisms such as “water bear”, fungii, yeasts etc, all of which can then be harvested from those micro-environment bubbles as food for algae production, fertilizer/hydroponic nutrients, & food for still larger plants & animals, & so-on”
“yep, they want to “terraform” mars etc, but can’t even practice 1st by repairing the devastation perpetrated on earth (eg, desert areas such as sahara, australia) by human ignorance towards the Environment”
Americans in New York, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania reported seeing a fiery, 500-pound meteor soar through the sky this week before the space rock apparently broke up somewhere over the Keystone State, according to scientists.
maybe an “at rest” mass of 500lbs, but at the actual speed it would have been travelling? much, MUCH more than half a tonne in real terms, ie, about 4,562,413.49 m kg / s to be pedantic. (& only 60 miles above earth… ) ie, as i’ve mentioned before, when the romans said the Celts were “afraid of nothing except the sky falling” that’s why, ie, we’d survived the previous “rock-fall”, tip, it’s easy to reach mars at the moment because orbital distances are close at present again, as they were then, which also puts earth way closer than usual to the asteroid belt, or, more precisely, the stragglers therefrom that are in/near/closer than mars orbit because of “slingshotting” by mars’ gravity & their own sunward drift. i’d suggest wearing a fedora, it won’t make any difference, but they look cool…
An ‘alien coffin’ might possibly be added to the long list of curious objects found on the surface of the Red Planet. Puzzled UFO enthusiasts now want NASA’s Curiosity rover to take a closer look. Will Farrar, a UFO (unidentified flying object) hunter from Maryland, US, noticed a strange, box-shaped object as he was looking through a set of photos, taken by the Mars Curiosity rover. “Coffins are made to stand the test of time, but this one is made from a stone like substance,” Waring blogged on Sunday. “What would it take to get NASA to turn the rover around and examine the contents of this box?”
oh, look!!! undeniable evidence of ancient alien visitations to Ireland, Earth… oops, my mistake, it’s just volcanic residue… gee, you don’t think, just maybe, with mars having volcanoes such as mons olympus, a volcano about 3 times taller than mount everest, that, oh, maybe it’s just a lump of rock….